Pokemon: Gengar vs Alakazam

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Pokemon: Gengar vs Alakazam
Tweet Topic Started: May 17 2010, 12:42 AM (14,280 Views)
+ Byakko	May 17 2010, 12:42 AM Post #1
I once gave a Kangaroo a heart-attack just by staring at it Posts: 10,219 Group: Legend Member #158 Joined: February 7, 2005 Gender Male Favourite Anime Naruto Shippuuden What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Fullmetal Alchemist	I decided to put this up following debates between me, Sousen, Jonnoley and some other friends. As the topic title suggests, it's a debate on who would win between Alakazam and Gengar. Both are level 100. Both have "average" stats for their level (rounded up). For Alakazam, this means 283 HP, 168 attack, 158 defence, 308 speed, 338 sp attack, 238 sp defence. For Gengar this is 293 HP, 198 attack, 188 defence, 288 speed, 328 sp attack, 218 sp defence. Both have moves that are super effective against the other - Gengar has dark moves, Alakazam has Psychic moves (for some reason, Gengar takes 2x damage from Psychic. It's awesome). And neither have are holding any items and potions and whatnot aren't used. Personally, I think Alakazam would win. He's faster than Gengar, so more likely to hit first. Gengar's Hypnosis has a crap accuracy, so Alakzam could probably avoid it at least once to get a second attack in. Besides, even if Hypnosis does work, Dream Eater (the usual follow up move) does half damage on Alakzam.
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+ Pelador	May 17 2010, 01:07 AM Post #2
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	I agree with you. My Alakazam before I switched to Mewtwo, used to own Ghost Pokemon including Gengar. All he has to do is use psychic a few times. On the other hand, if Gengar uses shadow ball, it might do some serious damage to Alakazam. I think it depends on critical hits and speed.
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Rockman	May 17 2010, 01:09 AM Post #3
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	I would like to see Dream Eater only do half damage to Alakhazam. Every time i've ever used Dream Eater on any psychic pokemon it has killed them in one hit.
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~~Dark~~	May 17 2010, 01:11 AM Post #4
Posts: 1,589 Group: GTFO Member #4,185 Joined: May 9, 2009 What Browser do you use? Flareon	You don't need to worry about moves like Hypnosis. One of these two is going to get swept, and I think it's going to be Gengar. First off, I'd like to correct you on one thing. It isn't surprising that Gengar takes 2x damage from Psychic moves. He is Poison/Ghost. Poison is weak to Psychic, and Ghost is normally resistant. There is nothing odd here. Perhaps you are confused with the effectiveness Ghost moves have on Psychic types. Anyway. This is fairly simple, I would think. The first move is obviously outrageously vital here, as both of these two generally pose as sweepers; Alakazam being the more effective of the two due to versatility and favorable stat alignment. In all honesty, I believe you could pair these two in an entirely unfavorable position against Alakazam, and he would still win. The natures are irrelevant here. An Alakazam with an Adamant nature could still sweep Gengar assuming there were enough Special Attack EV's involved. Heck, he might even be able to beat Gengar without them. I have no idea what makes anybody here think that Gengar could beat him. As far as I can see, Alakazam can sweep him, and there's not a single determining factor that states otherwise. Alakazam not only has the advantage in speed, (a truly deciding factor here) but he also has higher Special Attack as well as Special Defense. As previously stated, he is generally better in every regard, and thus, he is far suited as the better sweeper.



* Psyam	May 17 2010, 07:38 AM Post #5
Posts: 1,788 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga One Piece	In this match-up, assuming both have maxed EV's in Special Attack/Speed and the same IV's and nature, Alakazam will attack first and OHKO. Both these pokemon are ridiculously frail so it comes down to who gets the first hit, and Alakazam has a little more speed. Gengar is the better pokemon overall though, due to a better movepool and immunity to Fighting, Ground (via Levitate) and Normal attacks, which allows him to get a free switch into many attacks and unleash some pain. Good luck getting Alakazam on the field without it being killed any time except after one of your pokemon has just been KO'd, at which point it's too late as you failed to counter the threat you needed Alakazam for anyway. Alakazam is also screwed over by the sheer amount of overused steel types, especially those with strong priority moves (Technician Bulletpunch/Persuit Scizor = Dead Alakazam or Gengar, and Scizor is one of the most overused pokemon). Gengar suffers the same problem but can do better overall due to his wider movepool meaning he can OHKO many of the bigger threats of the Metagame, as well as having better typing. Edited by Psyam, May 17 2010, 10:36 AM.



* Mitas	May 17 2010, 08:03 AM Post #6
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	Yeah Alakazam. He would hit first with Psychic and it would either kill it in one (Gengar's Special Defence isn't that good) or finish him off on the 2nd try. However if Gengar survives the first attack and his hypnosis hits (both of which are questionable), then Gengar would win. Dream Eater would do a fair bit of damage and also replenish his health. So really both could win, but I'd put my money on Alakazam.
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* Psyam	May 17 2010, 10:44 AM Post #7
Posts: 1,788 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga One Piece	Alakazam will ALWAYS win if they have a neutral/special attack based/speed based nature, and same EV's/IV's. Psychic is 100% accurate and even if it does the minimum damage it will still OHKO Gengar. Alakazam wins every time if both pokemon are identical. Every time. I'd also like to point out that Gengar can only take upto 3/5 of Alakazam's health with a Dark Pulse, and Gengar's STAB boosted Shadow Ball falls 1 point short of being able to OHKO Alakazam at max damage...so even if Gengar goes first, which he wouldn't if they had the same natures etc, he still can't win unless he pulls off the horribly inaccurate hypnosis. Alakazam wins this battle through and through. As I said though, it doesn't make Alakazam a better pokemon for battling overall, it just happens to be a counter for Gengar.



gengar rockz 228	Apr 28 2011, 11:26 PM Post #8
Posts: 1 Group: New Member Member #6,108 Joined: April 28, 2011	If Gengar and Alakazam were to go Head-To-Head, then I'd definitely go with Gengar. Gengar could kill Alakazam with one Soul-Sucker Special Move.



Fulgore	Apr 30 2011, 07:11 AM Post #9
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sonic_the_frog	Apr 30 2011, 03:07 PM Post #10
Posts: 75 Group: Member Member #6,054 Joined: April 20, 2011	If gengar went first and hypnosis worked it could win but if alakazam went first and only had phsco shift or something alakazam would win because gengar is poison and alakazm's type is super effective agianst poison
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Fulgore	Apr 30 2011, 07:01 PM Post #11
The Darkness Returns Posts: 3,163 Group: Member Member #5,205 Joined: September 2, 2010	Gen 1, Alakazam would win. Always. Unless by some weird reason Psychic missed
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Toji	May 1 2011, 08:24 AM Post #12
ザラブファントム Posts: 1,102 Group: Member Member #5,229 Joined: September 11, 2010 Gender Other What Browser do you use? Chrome	Byakko May 17 2010, 12:42 AM Both have moves that are super effective against the other - Gengar has dark moves, Alakazam has Psychic moves (for some reason, Gengar takes 2x damage from Psychic. It's awesome). And neither have are holding any items and potions and whatnot aren't used. This probably won't impact on my overall choice, but why's Gengar stuck with using dark type attacks in this case? why not ghost? Alakazam gets STAB from psychic, surely Gengar should be entitled to STAB ghost attacks? But anyway, i'd go for Alakazam
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* Sousen Ichimonji	May 1 2011, 10:57 AM Post #13
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Fulgore	May 5 2011, 05:09 AM Post #14
The Darkness Returns Posts: 3,163 Group: Member Member #5,205 Joined: September 2, 2010	Hands down, esp if we're talking Gen 1. Gengar's Poison type is his downfall.. Psychic just *****s his day
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xyxamus	Jul 22 2012, 02:05 AM Post #15
Posts: 1 Group: New Member Member #7,991 Joined: July 22, 2012 Favourite Anime Naruto Shippuden What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Bleach	Hmm.... I think you all are forgetting one of Gengar's best moves it can learn. Gengar's Sucker Punch can OHKO Alakazam. Alakazam may have more speed then Gengar, but Sucker Punch always hits first. I would say that Gengar would totally destroy Alakazam in a single turn. Edited by xyxamus, Jul 22 2012, 02:06 AM.



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